Trade Wrap D15: Tippett, Stevens, Toy

Written By Unknown on Senin, 22 Oktober 2012 | 14.23

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DAY 12: Tippett, Young, Graham

DAY 11: McIntosh, Rivers, Jacobs

DAY 10: Gumbleton, Greenwood, Young

DAY NINE: Jurrah, Brown, Warnock

DAY EIGHT: Ray, Giles, Gillies

DAY FIVE: Rodan, Murphy, Dawes

DAY FOUR: Dawes, Gumbleton, Young

DAY THREE: Moloney, Caddy, Giles

DAY TWO: Fevola, Caddy, Gilham

DAY ONE: Monfries, Lake, Tippett

Well guys that's all for today. Hopefully, we will see some action throughout the night and can talk about all the gossip and rumours on Tuesday. Thanks for your involvement, no doubt it will be an interesting end to almost a month of trade and free agency.

1650 Tyrone says: It seems that although Tippett can nominate his terms in the Pre-season draft, he cannot back-load his contract. This would be a major problem for the Swans, who can only afford to pay him $600-800k in 2013 (and 1.2-1.4mil by 2016). Even if that is incorrect and he is able to nominate back-loaded terms, the fact remains that the first year of that, at 600-800k would be affordable to those clubs. Still tough to say whether those clubs would bother with someone who does not want to be there, but at the very least they could trade him themselves after 2013, without the threat of him walking into the draft, as he would be bound to the club for a minimum of two years. Hard to see how that's not worthwhile.

Ben Higgins says: For starters I would think Sydney and Tippett have already come to an agreement. They approached him earlier this year and have been in talks during the trade period so he will nominate whatever the two parties have agreed to. Secondly, a player can say no on draft day and must sit out the following year of football. GWS, for example can gain no benefit from drafting Tippett then trying to trade him.

1645 Shane says: Do you think Collingwood will use their 3 first round picks on youngsters or maybe trade one of those picks for an established player. Maybe using 3 first rounders on youngsters and trading their 2nd round pick out, maybe for Stefan Martin or other quality players.

Ben Higgins says: Sorry Shane, I don't think this will be happening. In fact I reckon Collingwood are done and dusted at the trade table. They've got Lynch for the forward line and they've got Young off halfback. Salary cap space is also an issue. Nathan Buckley and Derek Hine will look to secure the club's future in the draft.

1605 Gazza says: Appreciate the questions being answered mate so the last one from me today is why do WCE underate Cripps so much. He was a top draft pick and had a good year unlike Stevens and Brown who couldn't crack the rotation. They're the same as Gold Coast why are these clubs being so stubborn towards the Saints or are the Saints just as bad?

Ben Higgins says: The Eagles don't necessarily under rate Cripps but he's already left the Saints and is back in Perth. They don't have to do anything. In terms of stubbornness, I think that's just the nature of the beast. Clubs don't want to give up too much and don't want to part with a players for less than a premium. Mitch Brown is a prime example. Not only is he contracted but a key position player who they've put a number of years into.

1550 Alan says: Quick one, when a player, such as Tippett goes into a preseason draft, he nominates a pay deal, does it have to be say $1M a year for 3 years or can it be $3M over 3 years, and back ended to fit salary cap requirements?  If so what happens if no one has the salary cap room?

Ben Higgins says: That's a fine question Alan. Tippett is out of contract so Sydney has no doubt offered him what it can afford. When he enters the pre-season draft he would nominate whatever it is Sydney has offered him, whether that be $1M or $3M. Only uncontracted players and delisted players can enter the pre-season draft so they would already have agreements in place.

1545 Gazza says: Any saints news today heard jackson from richmonds name flying around? Hows the mitch brown and tom hickey saga turning out?

Ben Higgins says: Just the usual whispers about the Saints, nothing concrete unfortunately. I doubt Richmond would be prepared to give up Daniel Jackson but I've been surprised before. Mitch Brown from West Coast is going nowhere, while Tom Hickey didn't train today with the Suns so expect him to be at Seaford when the Saints' pre-season begins.

1540 Johan says: Simple question - why don't the Saints and Eagles do a straight Cripps - Stevens swap?

Ben Higgins says: That's a fair point Johan. Koby Stevens probably has more currency than Cripps but West Coast aren't exactly demanding much for him from other clubs. St Kilda might need to sweeten the deal with a late round pick to get the deal done.

1503 Damien says: If Carlton have been asleep, then Freo have been barely awake.  Only nabbing Pearce seems a bit poor for a club that should be on the rise.  Have you heard anything else?

Ben Higgins says: It's probably a bit harsh on the Dockers. They've got good depth on their list and Ross Lyon obviously feels he has to cattle to achieve success. Pearce will add some much needed pace, which will be handy on the wide-open spaces of Patterson Stadium.

1450 Clint says: If Adelaide send Tippett to the draft and GWS can afford his self imposed price tag and pick him does he have to go or can he say NO and wait for the Sydney pick? Thanks

Ben Higgins says: From what I understand GWS can pick him in the draft - and they have the cap space to do so - and Tippett would be forced to sit out a year if he said no. As much as Crows supporters would love to see it, the AFL community is in not this petty so chances are the Giants will just let me pass to the Swans.

G'day guys, AFL reporter Ben Higgins here, taking over for Clarky until we wrap up the day's proceedings. Keep those questions coming and I'll get to them as soon as possible.

1415: TRADE WHISPER: Gold Coast Suns have returned to training on Monday. That's frightening. But youngsters Tom Hickey and Josh Toy were not on the track. Hickey looks likely to join the Saints while Toy's weighing up his future.

1350: Dave says: Heard any talk of Tom Gillies going to Port and anything on Mitch Brown of Geelong?

John Clark says: New Power coach Ken Hinkley has a connection to Gillies having come from the Cats. If he likes him he can certainly offer him some game time given the lack of experience down back for Port Adelaide. Not much happening on the Mitch Brown of Geelong front. He surely gets another chance.

1335: Rick says: G'day John. Why would the Tigers want to part ways with Robin Nahas?? He has been great for the Tigers over the years. I reckon Andrew Demetriou would like to see him leave the AFL so he doesn't have to read out his votes at the Brownlow award night. Doing a fine job John.

John Clark says: Hey Rick, thanks for the kind words. Not sure who would come in and play Nahas's role if he were to be moved on. David Rodan, if given a second chance, would be a handy small forward. Maybe he's cheaper? Maybe they've had a good deal for Nahas offered to them, too good to refuse. Just to clarify, that is just a rumour at this stage, he's not been linked with any clubs.

1330: Nathan says: Why aren't the eagles playing hardball with koby stevens? He was a first round draft pick (pick 23 i believe). Given that the eagles have put a lot of time into him, he's highly regarded, and given that the bulldogs hold pick 22, I would have thought that that would be the draft pick that they would be seeking and subsequently look to break even. As it stands, it looks like they will give him away for a draft pick around 50. Thoughts?

John Clark says: Stevens has been at the Eagles for three seasons and played just 11 senior games. He added only four this year. If he'd played 30-plus games then maybe West Coast would fight a bit harder. They want pick No.41 for him but the Bulldogs can stand firm because he's uncontracted. The Bulldogs felt like the Eagles ripped them off in the Josh Hill deal last year so want to get one back on them.

1320: Mark says: Hi John, Collingwood have been much more active in the trade period than I think people would have expected, do you think players are actively trying to get to the club or are the Pies hunting these players?

John Clark says: G'day Mark. Interesting question. I think the the Pies are an attractive proposition for players around the country. They play in front of 70,000 people most weeks and are still in the premiership mix. Clinton Young's move from Hawthorn to Collingwood was a blow for the Hawks. Collingwood were also willing to move a couple of their players on so they had space and money. Sharrod Wellingham went with a clip and they didn't fight too hard to keep Chris Dawes. They're looking to rejuvenate.

1315: Hawk Claw says: I keep hearing that the Hawks want speed out of the midfield - does that mean they don't think Bradley Hill will be quite ready for seniors? He showed a lot of pace to me in his brief seniors stints in 2012. He was a bit erratic, but if he gets some composure I thought he would be a great addition to the Hawks line-up.

John Clark says: I think Hill will play more footy next year but he's only 19 and is realistically a couple of years off having an impact. The Hawks are obviously in premiership mode so adding outside run for next year would help. I heard Terry Wallace suggesting David Rodan would be good for them. Interesting idea.

1300: Pete says: If Tippet goes to the draft will a club with a pick before the swans grab him?

John Clark says: Not many will be able to afford him if he whacks $800,000 on his head. Sydney have the space, as do the Giants, and I wouldn't rule out the Lions coming to the party. However, if a player wants to go a particular club he usually gets there.

1250: Daniel says: Are the Hawks likely to bring in anyone else during this trade period? I had heard whispers about an interest in Toy from the Gold Coast but nothing since.

John Clark says: All the Josh Toy talk has gone quiet with his heart condition clouding his future a little. Essendon, Western Bulldogs and Hawthorn have met the 20-year-old but I think he'll sign the one-year extension being offered by the Suns. The Hawks could do add a bit of outside pace in the midfield but that's easier said than done.

1235: Ty says: Hi John. Just regarding the carlton Situation Mick Malthouse was standing behind me in line for the logride at Dreamworld last week so that might be a good reason Carlton aren't existent in trade week period. Also heard a rumour Parker might be traded to Carlton which in turn would give Sydney two first rounders to trade onto crows. And any possible chance Rohan to crows as part of tippet trade?

John Clark says: G'day Ty, thanks for the update on 'Malthouse Watch'. He hasn't started work yet with the book tour going around the country. But I guess he's happy with what the players he's got for next season. Luke Parker was one of the Swans players I tossed up earlier. He'd cost a first-round pick for sure. Garry Rohan won't be going anywhere. He's a starting 22 next year and gives them some real pace.

1155: Ben says: Hello, John. We are back to the live blog because this is the final week we are discussing the trades and the rumours, yes! Here's a question: Any word on Cruize Garlett, I'm sure he will come back to WA.

John Clark says: Hey Ben. Garlett was offered a one-year deal by the Roos but knocked it back. He is keen on a return to Perth but would keep his career alive by moving anywhere. Hasn't been a lot of interest in him so I would expect to enter into the draft and be taken late on. Aaron Edwards, Ben Warren and Ben McKinley are also a chance to move from the Kangaroos. I have heard Warren linked with the Dees but no movement on that front in the past few days.

1145: Pat says: Gday John. Realistically how much trade currency do players such as Pettard and Morton have?  Also to me Stef Martin seems to have demonstrated some ability in a team that has consistently struggled for a couple of years. Why arent clubs being more proactive
in their approach for him given his versatility etc?

John Clark says: Big blokes seem to rocket in value at this time of the year. Martin would probably attract a second-round pick while Morton and Petterd will be more likely to be a third-round choice. There are a number of players at Melbourne still out of contract. Lucas Cook, their first-round pick two years ago, is one of them. He's a key forward and would be of some interest, surely. Mark Neeld has made it clear that he'll be stripping this list back and doing it his own way.

1140: Dogs rebuild centre of Western suburbs says: Any chance Jarrod Grant of the Bulldogs is on the trade table, heard a whisper that is all. he isn't a bad player but he lacks effort sometimes and i think the dogs try to play him as a hit up forward and maybe he needs to play down back. Is he worth anything? Maybe we can swap him to Melbourne for Bate who wanted to be traded to the dogs last year?

John Clark says: The Dogs are in the rebuilding phase, that's for sure. Jarrad Grant hasn't really come on in the past two years. He could be shopped around. Melbourne will be willing to let Bate go and probably should have 12 months ago. He deserves a fres start. I think both players could have an impact with a new team. Grant down back sounds a good idea. Let him follow a player and work really hard. Bate finds the ball well enough and is a good-sized midfielder. He could add size for the Bulldogs.

1125: Hawker of Hobart says: Howdy John - Any word on the Hawks? What would they want for Gilham? Also what are your thoughts on the compo pick for Young?

John Clark says: If Gilham wants to go then the Hawks will settle for a late second-round pick or something in round three, I think. He's surplus to requirements, like Tom Murphy, and would be given the club's best wishes. As for compensation, I don't think clubs should be getting anything for losing a free agent. The salary cap and draft are there to keep the competition even. Yes, the Hawks were dudded on their draft pick for Clinton Young, but the fact that they're getting anything for him leaving is wrong in my book.

1108: Gazza of Greensy says: Any Saints news? Heard Gold Coast being ridiculous like West Coast and playog hard ball with there players who want out?

John Clark says: Hey Gazza, the Saints are a bit stuck at the moment with their pursuit of Mitch Brown (West Coast) and Tom Hickey (Gold Coast) held up by the two clubs. The Eagles won't budge on Brown. He'll stay. Hickey will be handed over, probably for St Kilda's second-round pick. Jamie Cripps will get his wish to join the Eagles but that might take a while. Koby Stevens was offered last week in a deal for Cripps but the Saints turned that down. I'd be interested if Saints fans would accept pick No.2 for Sam Fisher to move to the Giants.

1100: TIPPETT UPDATE: Plenty of questions coming in asking for the latest on Kurt Tippett. Well, we can tell you there's no movement. If anything happens we'll let you know but the longer this drags on the closer Kurt gets to going in the draft. Here's the latest out of Adelaide this morning.

1035: Gigs says: JC, any news on the possible move of Farren Ray to Melbourne? Have the Dees actually offered anything and, if so, what is the offer?

John Clark says: Hey Gigs. The Demons haven't got a lot left in terms of draft picks to deal with. Pick No.58 might be a bit light on for Ray while their No.49 selection looks likely to be sent to North Melbourne for Cam Pedersen if they can't get something lower. I think they'll dish a player somewhere - either Stef Martin, Cale Morton, Ricky Petterd or Matthew Bate - to get a pick. St Kilda might have interest in Martin who could be a back-up ruckman if the Tom Hickey deal doesn't go their way. Ray's manager said he was more likely to stay at the Saints this time last week but Melbourne look to be in front in the race for his services today.

1030: TRADE WHISPER: Word has it that Carlton free agent Jordan Russell toured the Westpac Centre, home of the Magpies, on Friday. Collingwood have been very active and might not be done with yet.

1025: Mark says: Any news on the tigers exept david rodan club already said it would only rookie draft him.

John Clark says: Hey Mark, the Tigers have done pretty well to this point with free agency. Now for a bit of trade action. I don't think David Rodan will end up back there. There is some speculation about Robin Nahas finding a new home. They might be able to get something to fill a need for him.

Mark says: Any word on GWS trading high draft picks for players?

John Clark says: They're on the table, apparently, so if a club is looking to get in at the top end of the draft they may get active. Sam Fisher's name keeps cropping up. If the Giants are offering pick No.2 to get their hands of the Saint then I'd be listening.

1015: Dave says: Morning John, firstly, interested in your prediction of the Koby Stevens deal with the Bulldogs. Word on the interweb is 51 is likely, but Eagles fans like myself are expecting 44. Secondly, your thoughts on Jamie Cripps. I'd hope the Saints will give up their Mitch Brown fantasy and accept pick 41 from the Eagles. I'd prefer that outcome to picking him up for free in the draft as he's a good player and it's never good to see clubs get nothing in those instances.

John Clark says: Hey Dave, thanks for your interest. I think pick 51 for Stevens is a fair swap. He's a midfielder with promise but clearly not in the Eagles' best 22. Because he's nominated the Dogs as his club of choice the deal will be done. Cripps is in a similar position. Mitch Brown won't be going anywhere this year but in 12 months' time he could walk for nothing. Is it better to do a deal now and get something in return?

1010: CJ of Mornington says: Gilham back to Port perhaps? Thornton is another option. Other than that the cupboard looks bare!

John Clark says: Morning CJ. Not many key defenders out there at the moment. Gilham was linked with the Power but it sounds as though the Suns are keener. Stefan Martin could be groomed as a key back. Tom Gillies from Geelong is a youngster with some talent and is keen to find a new home. I think the Cats will deal on him.

Badas of goldy says: Carlton anything?

John Clark says: I am going to go down to Royal Parade this afternoon to see if the joint is still open. Nothing happening at all at the Blues. They're making some room to go to the draft. What do you think they need?

0920: POWER LOOKING FOR PLAYERS
Port Adelaide will enter the last week of trade talks still searching for a key defender to support Alipate Carlile and Jackson Trengove. New coach Ken Hinkley's notes from Geelong could influence a move on Cats defender Tom Gillies. Ben Jacobs's wish to be traded to North Melbourne may put Kangaroos defender Luke Delaney before the Power.

0900: HELLO AND WELCOME
Morning all, John Clark here with you to see if we can't do a deal in this final week. Send us through your thoughts, questions, problems ... anything you like. We'll be here with our live blog all the way through the final week of the trade period.


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